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02/03/2022 03:30 PM Senate COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS

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-- Public Testimony --
+= SB 13 OIL AND GAS PROPERTY TAX TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
Nils Andreassen, Alaska Municipal League,
Executive Director
Conor Bell, Legislative Finance Division
Emily Nauman, Legislative Legal Services
Colleen Glover or Designee, Tax Division, Dept.
of Revenue
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                SB  13-OIL AND GAS PROPERTY TAX                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:36:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   HUGHES  reconvened   the   meeting   and  announced   the                                                               
consideration of SENATE  BILL NO. 13 "An Act relating  to oil and                                                               
gas   exploration,   production,  and   pipeline   transportation                                                               
property taxes; and providing for an effective date."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:37:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  TOM BEGICH,  Alaska State  Legislature, Juneau,  Alaska,                                                               
sponsor of SB 13, stated he  presented this bill to the committee                                                               
last  year and  this  presentation will  focus  on context  which                                                               
shifted over the past year and the history of the bill.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH highlighted the following about SB 13:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
- The current  statutory mill rate for oil &  gas property tax is                                                               
approximately 2  percent or  20 mills. The  state reserves  up to                                                               
ten mills, and municipalities reserve up to ten mills.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
- SB 13 proposes this tax increase  by ten mills, for a mill rate                                                               
of 30 mills. Revenue reserved for  the state would increase to 20                                                               
mills,  and  revenue  reserved for  municipalities  would  remain                                                               
steady at ten mills.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
-  Legislative Finance  estimates approximately  $217 million  in                                                               
new revenue in the first year.  Over time it would average around                                                               
$221 million.  That's additional  resources inclusive  of offsets                                                               
for credits claimed against taxes.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BEGICH distinguished  between designation  of funds  and                                                               
dedication of  funds. Under  state law,  the legislature  may not                                                               
dedicate  funds.   SB  13   specifically  designates   funds,  an                                                               
extremely appealing  component of  the bill, to  ensure stability                                                               
across each of the following three areas:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1)  SB 13  proposes to  deposit half  the funds  into the  Alaska                                                               
Capital Income Fund,  so the state can continue  to meet deferred                                                               
maintenance and capital construction  needs. Recall that recently                                                               
the legislature  did not  do a  reverse sweep,  so this  fund was                                                               
swept and drained to zero.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2)  Twenty-five   percent  would  reimburse   municipalities  for                                                               
revenue  losses   incurred  due  to  senior   real  property  tax                                                               
exemptions. The  legislature gave the  exemption to seniors  as a                                                               
reward.  Over   two  decades  ago,  the   legislature  agreed  to                                                               
reimburse  cities  for  lost  revenue.   The  legislature  has  a                                                               
contractual, statutory agreement  to reimburse municipalities for                                                               
this exemption. SB  13 would ensure the  legislature fulfills its                                                               
obligation  to  reimburse  municipalities for  this  long-sought-                                                               
after back payment to communities.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:40:43 PM                                                                                                                    
3)  The Higher  Education Investment  Fund would  receive twenty-                                                               
five  percent to  increase the  state's investment  commitment to                                                               
education in the state.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH summarized the merits of SB 13:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
-  The bill  proposes  to decrease  municipal  property taxes  by                                                               
reimbursing communities for the senior property tax exemption.                                                                  
- The bill  proposes maintaining a stream of income  to deal with                                                               
capital infrastructure.                                                                                                         
- This bill proposes to  increase investment in education and the                                                               
states future.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BEGICH  addressed the  issue  of  letters the  committee                                                               
received that  assert SB  13 lacked policy  goals. He  stated, to                                                               
the contrary, SB 13 proposes two policy goals:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
First, the sustainability policy goal outlined above; and                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Second, policy  goals as  outlined in  the Fiscal  Policy Working                                                               
Group (FPWG) plan (32nd Legislature, Final Report).                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:42:03 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:42:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES reconvened the meeting.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:42:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BEGICH resumed  explaining the policy goals  of the FPWG.                                                               
The work of  the FPWG was a laborious, nonpartisan  effort to lay                                                               
the framework  for solutions to  the state's fiscal  dilemma. The                                                               
FPWG  plan  represented the  efforts  of  both House  and  Senate                                                               
majority and minority caucuses. He  expressed his belief that the                                                               
plan goals were laudable.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  listed eight of the  solution elements identified                                                               
in the FPWG plan:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1) A constitutional single-account  permanent fund structure with                                                               
   draws limited by a percent of market value (POMV).                                                                           
2) Constitutional certainty for the dividend.                                                                                   
3) A new POMV-based formula.                                                                                                    
4) A  healthy  capital budget.  SB  13  addresses  this issue  by                                                               
   creating a sustainable stream of capital income fund.                                                                        
5) New revenues.  SB 13 addresses  this issue by providing  a new                                                               
   revenue stream.                                                                                                              
6) Budget reductions.                                                                                                           
7) Spending limits.                                                                                                             
8) Ensures a transition period.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BEGICH stated  SB 13  attempts  to incorporate  solution                                                               
elements of  the FPWG. He described  the bill as an  arrow in the                                                               
fiscal solution quiver. He stressed  that success is dependent on                                                               
bringing  forth ideas  that  incorporate  FPWG elements,  without                                                               
which a comprehensive solution will be hard to find.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:44:09 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BEGICH  explained that Alaska's history  with fluctuating                                                               
petroleum prices  and the need  to act influenced bringing  SB 13                                                               
forward:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
First, during a  series of conversations, the Alaska  Oil and Gas                                                               
Association (AOGA)  reiterated that  a revenue solution  based on                                                               
the   instability  of   oil  prices   would  probably   never  be                                                               
satisfactory. The  industry has requested fiscal  certainty. Real                                                               
estate and  its valuation  over time  offer greater  certainty in                                                               
predicting revenue than revenue based on oil prices.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH stated a year  ago, the industry testified the low                                                               
price  of  oil would  damage  the  industry. That  testimony  has                                                               
changed since last year. Now the price  of oil is too high. He is                                                               
unsure which  is true. He  is sure  that Alaskans cannot  make up                                                               
revenue shortfalls  themselves, but  that is  what the  state has                                                               
done.  The  fiscal  burden has  transferred  to  residents  every                                                               
single day.  The state  has reduced  the permanent  fund dividend                                                               
(PFD)  arbitrarily  and  has not  reimbursed  municipalities  for                                                               
senior  property  tax exemptions  in  two  decades. The  industry                                                               
needs to be at the table to  do its part. He repeatedly asked for                                                               
proposals  and   solutions  from  the  petroleum   community  and                                                               
received none. The industry requested  fiscal certainty and SB 13                                                               
proposes to satisfy the request with this revenue approach.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Second,  and  more importantly,  the  legislature  must act.  The                                                               
reason for  putting bills forward  is not necessarily to  see one                                                               
pass and he  doubts SB 13 will pass. Without  ideas on the table,                                                               
there  is nothing  to discuss.  For this  reason, he  put forward                                                               
constitutional amendments,  revenue ideas,  and this bill.  SB 13                                                               
deserves full consideration.  It deserves to advance  to the next                                                               
committee of referral. It deserves to  count as part of the total                                                               
package in  the finance committee.  He thanked the chair  for the                                                               
opportunity to dialogue  and present the bill. He  stated that he                                                               
would not take offense if this bill failed to advance.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:46:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES asked Ms. Colbert  to present the sectional analysis                                                               
for SB 13.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:47:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MERCEDES  COLBERT,  Staff,  Senator   Tom  Begich,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, Anchorage,  Alaska, read the sectional  analysis for                                                               
SB 13 on behalf of the sponsor.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                         Senate Bill 13                                                                                       
                    Oil and Gas Property Tax                                                                                  
                       Sectional Analysis                                                                                     
                         Senate Bill 13                                                                                         
                      Version: 32-LS0147\B                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1.                                                                                                                 
     Amends AS 43.56.010(a) to include  a new subsection (2)                                                                    
     that increases  the maximum mill rate  an additional 10                                                                    
     mills.  This  only  applies   to  taxable  property  as                                                                    
     defined under AS 43.56.210.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2.                                                                                                                 
     Amends AS  43.56.010(d) with conforming  language. This                                                                    
     clarifies the  municipal property  tax under  (a)(1) of                                                                    
     the bill can only be credited to the taxpayer.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3.                                                                                                                 
     The  estimated balance  of  the  taxes collected  under                                                                    
     Section  1 of  this  bill may  be  appropriated by  the                                                                    
     legislature as follows:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        1. 50 percent to the Alaska Capital Income Fund;                                                                        
        2. 25 percent to reimburse municipalities for real                                                                      
          property tax revenue lost due to the Senior                                                                           
          Citizen / Disabled Veteran Property Tax Exemption                                                                     
          provided under AS 29.45.090(g); and                                                                                   
        3. 25 percent to the Alaska Higher Education                                                                            
          Investment Fund.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4.                                                                                                                 
     Establishes an effective date of January 1, 2022.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. COLBERT stated  that this bill was drafted last  year, so the                                                               
effective date  needs to be  updated before the bill  is reported                                                               
from committee.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:49:10 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR D. WILSON requested clarification  about the $275 million                                                               
which SB 13 expects to  net [according to the sponsor statement].                                                               
He  asked  whether the  intent  was  to offset  the  Unrestricted                                                               
General Fund  (UGF), and  what the  UGF would  save if  this bill                                                               
passed into law.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH answered  the bill could offset UGF  if the Senate                                                               
Finance  Committee desired.  SB  13 would  provide certainty  for                                                               
capital  construction needs,  which means  the legislature  could                                                               
project  funding  availability.  Right now,  the  capital  budget                                                               
expends  a certain  amount towards  deferred maintenance  so that                                                               
those  dollars  would be  offset  and  freed  by this  bill.  The                                                               
legislature cannot  dedicate funds,  so the designation  of funds                                                               
proposed by SB 13 would  always remain discretionary; however, SB
13 intends to offset and free some UGF.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  stated that in  terms of the senior  property tax                                                               
exemption,  money  would  go  right  back  out  as  a  relief  to                                                               
communities.  The state  could lower  property  taxes in  several                                                               
other ways  and through other  legislation, but SB 13  would have                                                               
the direct effect of reducing property taxes.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  stated that  three or four  years ago,  this body                                                               
took a  POMV approach to  the Alaska Higher Education  Trust Fund                                                               
so  that the  fund produced  income. This  means that  the Alaska                                                               
Higher Education Trust Fund would  potentially offset UGF because                                                               
SB 13 would  boost the amount of money available  to it. The bill                                                               
would  not  necessarily  provide  $272  million  direct  revenue,                                                               
though the Finance Committee could choose to set it up that way.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:51:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MYERS  commented  that the  oil  production  tax  swings                                                               
wildly with oil  prices, whereas property tax is  more stable. He                                                               
noted  that home  valuations  had fluctuated  a  fair amount  and                                                               
wondered if oil and gas  property taxes had fluctuated similarly.                                                               
He   asked   whether   swings  had   been   factored   into   the                                                               
aforementioned numbers.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BEGICH  answered  yes.   There  is  always  fluctuation.                                                               
Property taxes  are more stable  at the  state level than  at the                                                               
local assessment  level. In Anchorage, residential  property went                                                               
up quite a bit. Oddly  enough, most Anchorage commercial property                                                               
assessments  went  down  this year.  Residential  and  commercial                                                               
property present  quite different  scenarios. State  property tax                                                               
holders have  access to  a robust  appeals process;  the industry                                                               
uses it  often to  appeal high  assessments. The  appeals process                                                               
holds  the  system  accountable. He  acknowledged  that  property                                                               
valuation shifts will  always pose a problem; however,  this is a                                                               
more stable way  of taxing additional revenue  generated from the                                                               
industry. It is more stable than  betting on whether the price of                                                               
oil will be higher or lower.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BEGICH stated  that in  the last  year and  a half,  the                                                               
state saw  that the  price of  oil oscillated  from minus  $5 per                                                               
barrel  one day  to $90  plus per  barrel today.  One factor  the                                                               
state can rely  on is that oil  prices will always be  a poor way                                                               
to  identify a  taxation basis  and will  always be  volatile. He                                                               
concluded that SB 13 might offer a better taxation basis.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:53:57 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES asked  how SB 13 would affect  property values based                                                               
on historical assessment fluctuations.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:54:23 PM                                                                                                                    
COLLEEN GLOVER,  Director, Tax  Division, Department  of Revenue,                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska, replied that  the division could not speculate                                                               
on  future assessments  because  each  valuation involves  unique                                                               
variables. The  division is working  on 2022 assessments  now, so                                                               
the  total  assessed  property  values  are  not  yet  available.                                                               
Variables  that  affect  assessments are  inflation,  changes  in                                                               
facilities,    capital   investments,    new   facilities,    and                                                               
decommissioned  facilities.   The  Revenue  Sources   Book  shows                                                               
revenue has been fairly stable over  the past few years, but that                                                               
does not necessarily indicate a continued future trend.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES  clarified that her  question pertained to  the past                                                               
to the  present. She  restated the  question, asking  whether oil                                                               
and  gas property  values have  historically been  linked to  oil                                                               
production  and oil  price fluctuations  or  whether values  have                                                               
been fairly stable.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. GLOVER answered that assessments  have changed over time. The                                                               
Revenue  Sources  Book  indicates  property  tax  collection  has                                                               
increased over time  on the North Slope and in  Cook Inlet due to                                                               
increased infrastructure. The basis for  oil and gas property tax                                                               
is the existence of installations  like production facilities and                                                               
pipelines.  Increased production  resulted in  new infrastructure                                                               
and new infrastructure  resulted in a new tax base.  The tax base                                                               
has  changed  over  time,  and  the value  of  those  assets  has                                                               
changed.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:57:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES summarized that  assessments typically increase over                                                               
time with growth and new  infrastructure. She sought confirmation                                                               
that the oil and gas  property tax fluctuations are less dramatic                                                               
than the production tax fluctuations.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. GLOVER  responded that was a  fair statement. Page 97  of the                                                               
2021  Revenue Sources  Book indicated  from fiscal  year 2012  to                                                               
2021,  property  taxes were  in  the  $100  million to  the  $123                                                               
million range.  So, property  tax has been  more stable  than the                                                               
oil and gas production tax in the recent past.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:58:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GRAY-JACKSON  commented  that   after  working  for  the                                                               
[Anchorage] assembly  for 18  years and  serving for  nine years,                                                               
every  single   year  through   each  legislative   program,  the                                                               
Anchorage   Assembly   begged   the  state   to   reimburse   the                                                               
municipality  for  the  senior citizens  and  disabled  veterans                                                                
unfunded  mandate.  The  Anchorage   municipality  has  not  been                                                               
reimbursed,  going on  27 years  or more,  for this  property tax                                                               
exemption.  She  asked how  much  money  has  been lost,  in  the                                                               
municipality of Anchorage alone, due to this unfunded mandate.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH referred to the  publication titled Alaska Taxable                                                               
2021 from the Office of the State Assessor.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. COLBERT  said Table 9B,  Senior Citizen and  Disabled Veteran                                                               
Program Summary, Fiscal Year 2021  / Tax Year 2020, contains data                                                               
for  lost revenue.  For this  past  fiscal year,  the  total  tax                                                               
amount exempt   for the Municipality  of Anchorage was  just over                                                               
$41.1  million. She  pointed  out  that Table  9B  lists all  the                                                               
municipalities affected  and the  amount of  revenue lost  by the                                                               
unfunded mandate. She deferred to  the Alaska Municipal League to                                                               
speak to the history of the property tax exemption.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:59:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BEGICH  reinforced the  division's comments  on petroleum                                                               
property tax, stating three factors are at play:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1) Appreciation. Taxes based on  property are nowhere as volatile                                                               
as taxes  based on the  price of oil.  He cited the  2020 Revenue                                                               
Sources Book,  which reflected a  tax revenue of $111  million in                                                               
FY12 and $99  million in FY13. In 2014, the  state set the rates,                                                               
which  resulted  in the  greatest  fluctuation  at $128  million.                                                               
Thereafter, revenue  fluctuated between  $128 and $119,  which is                                                               
the present year's property tax value.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2) Valuation. This has fluctuated to some degree over the years.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3) Predictability. A company knows  which installations are under                                                               
construction  and that  installation investments  will incur  new                                                               
property tax.  The industry has  indicated that if tax  rates are                                                               
higher,  it considers  profit return  before making  investments,                                                               
just like any investment.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH stated that property  taxes are significantly more                                                               
predictable because a  company is able to estimate  the taxes and                                                               
factor the  costs into an  investment model. It's not  a surprise                                                               
to   a   company  when   its   property   taxes  increase   after                                                               
infrastructure is added;  the tax increase would  be expected and                                                               
would not  come as  a shock.  It was a  choice with  known costs.                                                               
This difference  between property-based and price-based  taxes is                                                               
important.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BEGICH explained  that  a company  does not  necessarily                                                               
control  the  price of  oil,  nor  does the  company  necessarily                                                               
control whether  or not there is  a war in Ukraine.  Yet, factors                                                               
out of the company's control  could significantly drive the price                                                               
of  oil up,  just  like  independent operators  in  Texas or  the                                                               
Balkan  oil fields  could drive  the price  of oil  down. On  the                                                               
other  hand,  oil  companies  control  property  taxes  far  more                                                               
independently.  So, these  companies  have a  play in  investment                                                               
decisions because the tax is more predictable.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:01:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES acknowledged the point  was valid. She asked whether                                                               
Senator Gray-Jackson had follow-up comments or questions.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:02:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON answered that  she would get the information                                                               
later to share the numbers with constituents in Anchorage.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:02:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES  said she appreciated  that Senator  Begich included                                                               
figures from  the Fall  2020 Revenue  Sources Book  to illustrate                                                               
the predictability of oil and  gas property taxes. She emphasized                                                               
that the  state certainty  is important  and relevant  to private                                                               
sector fiscal  certainty. Rather than  the phrase "don't  come to                                                               
us for  taxes," it is  time the industry joined  the conversation                                                               
with constructive ideas to achieve fiscal certainty.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGHES  expressed  her  belief  that  the  concept  for  a                                                               
balanced budget  has been to grab  from a big cookie  jar labeled                                                               
PFD for  the past seven  years. The legislature  has demonstrated                                                               
this approach does not work, and  it is not a viable way forward.                                                               
The  state  needs all  the  pieces  fitting  together to  form  a                                                               
comprehensive package, and  to this end, the  FPWG spent hundreds                                                               
of hours finding  solutions. The FPWG ran the gamut  from some of                                                               
the most conservative to some  of the most progressive or liberal                                                               
legislators. Surprisingly, where the  group differed most was not                                                               
the PFD,  the group pretty much  settled on a 50/50  draw, but on                                                               
revenue  streams  and  spending   reductions.  Therein  lies  the                                                               
struggle.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:04:16 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HUGHES expressed  appreciation for  the oil  industry. She                                                               
was aware  and mindful of  these facts:  the state had  just come                                                               
through  a pandemic,  the oil  industry lost  3,000 jobs  between                                                               
2020 and  2021, and  the administration changed  course a  bit on                                                               
resource development. These facts  are all concerning. Right now,                                                               
oil is  the biggest industry  and revenue producer in  the state.                                                               
The industry  has provided  billions of  dollars for  schools and                                                               
vulnerable populations  over the  years. The  impact needs  to be                                                               
seriously  considered prior  to  making changes  that affect  the                                                               
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGHES   conversed  with   the  industry   about  bridging                                                               
financial gaps.  Gaps can  be transitioned  in various  ways. One                                                               
option  would be  to raise  taxes on  businesses. Another  option                                                               
would be  to take an actual  five percent draw from  the balance.                                                               
This would not be a POMV draw  from the permanent fund but a five                                                               
percent  draw  from  the  balance,   which  would  be  considered                                                               
reasonable and  in the realm  of prudent. Other  sovereign wealth                                                               
funds take an actual five or  six percent draw. The draw could be                                                               
based on the  current balance, not a draw based  on averaging the                                                               
past  five years.  She stated  that  the summer/fall  calculation                                                               
indicated  the five  percent POMV  draw was  equivalent to  a 3.7                                                               
percent draw  straight off  the current  balance. A  five percent                                                               
draw would  bridge the financial  gap and eliminate the  need for                                                               
additional tax revenue to provide  a 50/50 PFD. She expressed her                                                               
belief  that voter  approval would  be  a necessary  part of  the                                                               
package. All  package pieces  must work  together; that  is, what                                                               
works  mathematically should  be considered,  along with  whether                                                               
there are enough floor votes and enough votes at the ballot box.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:07:06 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES  commented that the state  was in the middle  of the                                                               
pandemic last  year and  was unsure  of its  duration. Hopefully,                                                               
the  state has  shifted into  management mode  instead of  crisis                                                               
mode. The  state should  continue to examine  the effects  of the                                                               
pandemic  on the  economy. She  reviewed material  that indicated                                                               
the economic  impact and  losses from the  pandemic proved  to be                                                               
worse in  the oil  industry than in  the hospitality  and tourism                                                               
industries.  Consider  this  factor before  making  changes  that                                                               
impact the oil  industry. To dispel the notion  that the industry                                                               
pays  a pittance  of its  earnings to  the state,  ConocoPhillips                                                               
reported  a $450,000,000  net income,  of which  $420,000,000 was                                                               
paid  in taxes  as reported  in  its 2021  Fourth Quarter  Alaska                                                               
Earnings Review. The state received  the bulk, but ConocoPhillips                                                               
paid a portion of the $420  million in federal taxes. During that                                                               
same period, it  invested $284 million in Alaska.  Over 14 years,                                                               
ConocoPhillips  alone  contributed  $31  billion  in  revenue  to                                                               
support the Alaska state government.  That is considerable. It is                                                               
good for Alaskans  to realize just how much the  industry pays in                                                               
taxes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES  said that University  of Alaska  Professor Mouhcine                                                               
Guetabbi  testified  before   the  Judiciary  Committee,  stating                                                               
Alaska  is losing  about $1  billion in  opportunity and  capital                                                               
investment  due to  a lack  of state  certainty. The  legislature                                                               
ought to pay attention to how  the policies made in this building                                                               
affect the  industry. The  legislature ought to  pay heed  to the                                                               
fact  that  fiscal  certainty  is important  to  a  strong  state                                                               
economy and the  industry. Additionally, it would  make sense for                                                               
the  industry to  step up  and work  with legislators  to pass  a                                                               
whole package.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES agreed that an  expanded mill rate on state property                                                               
tax might be  better than raising production  taxes; however, the                                                               
timing is  concerning. Although Senator Begich  may disagree, the                                                               
state's  per  capita spending  is  too  high. She  conceded  that                                                               
Alaska will  always have the  highest per capita spending  in the                                                               
country due to  its geographical size, the  number of communities                                                               
off the road  system, and the fact that every  community does not                                                               
have  a police  department and  never will.  However, it  is very                                                               
much out of sync with the rest  of country, and there is room for                                                               
improved efficiencies.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES  expressed her  belief that it  is human  to protect                                                               
one's own  and to defend one's  staff. She stated that  she would                                                               
probably do the same. Ultimately, more  could be done to root out                                                               
waste  than  a  system  that  necessitates  commissioners  defend                                                               
department  budgets  at  the finance  table.  Commissioners  want                                                               
their staff to  be able to pay their mortgages  and buy groceries                                                               
for their  families. The legislature  needs a better  process for                                                               
understanding state spending; there  is room for improvement. The                                                               
state  can reduce  spending while  continuing  to have  effective                                                               
state services. It can be without decimating state services.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:10:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BEGICH  stated that he  appreciated the  chairs  comments                                                               
for many reasons:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
-  He agreed  with the  importance of  intelligent and  strategic                                                               
cuts. This was part of the FPWG fiscal plan.                                                                                    
-  He agreed  that accountability  was critical  and that  it was                                                               
lacking at  present. Chair  Hughes and he  worked together  on an                                                               
education bill  that was  chock-full of  accountability measures.                                                               
He   commended   not   just  the   chair's   comments   regarding                                                               
accountability,  but   the  work  jointly  accomplished   on  the                                                               
education bill's accountability measures.                                                                                       
- He agreed  that the industry is disinclined but  should be more                                                               
inclined to  offer ideas.  The industry  has a  hands-off policy,                                                               
not participating  in taxation debates and  revenue and budgetary                                                               
issues.                                                                                                                         
- One of  the merits of SB  13 is that it  would generate revenue                                                               
with direction,  not revenue  that would  just be  deposited into                                                               
the UGF.                                                                                                                        
-  He agreed  that the  industry suffered  economically from  the                                                               
pandemic  but pointed  out that  property  owners also  suffered.                                                               
Many  Alaskans, not  just those  in the  industry, suffered  from                                                               
property  tax issues  and high  assessments.  This is  especially                                                               
true in Anchorage today and over  the years. Many of those owners                                                               
need property  tax relief,  so in  a way, SB  13 would  almost be                                                               
like a relief package.                                                                                                          
- Finally,  the ConocoPhillips 2021 Fourth  Quarter press release                                                               
indicated that ConocoPhillips provided  tax and royalty resources                                                               
of $31  billion, but it  also netted $22  billion. ConocoPhillips                                                               
netted $22  billion, not grossed  but netted. He  emphasized that                                                               
Alaskans own these  high-value resources. ConocoPhillips extracts                                                               
these  precious  resources  and   with  its  first-rate  business                                                               
acumen,   earns  itself   significant  amounts   of  money.   The                                                               
relationship between  ConocoPhillips and Alaska is  symbiotic and                                                               
a  slight reduction  in  net revenue  would  provide for  Alaskan                                                               
citizens, be a  good investment, and create  a better environment                                                               
for ConocoPhillips' employees living in Alaska.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:14:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES  responded that  most Alaskans  earn more  than they                                                               
pay in taxes, so it  is impressive that ConocoPhillips netted $22                                                               
billion and paid $31 billion.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGHES clarified  previous comments  about a  five percent                                                               
draw:                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
First, a  five percent  draw would  not be  ongoing; it  would be                                                               
short-term only.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Second,  there  is a  pervasive  narrative  surrounding the  five                                                               
percent draw.  The narrative suggests  it will be  detrimental to                                                               
the health of  the permanent fund to take a  penny more than five                                                               
percent. Consequently, it would be  bad for future generations of                                                               
Alaskans.  She  expressed  her belief  this  narrative  is  false                                                               
because  there are  years the  permanent  fund gets  $120 -  $140                                                               
billion, and  the draw would  satisfy the needs of  the operating                                                               
budget, the  capital budget,  and the  PFD. The  draw could  be a                                                               
financially viable, safe option for a  couple of years. It is not                                                               
true that  a five percent draw  is a terrible option  and that it                                                               
will hurt your great-grandchildren.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:16:13 PM                                                                                                                    
NILS  ANDREASSEN, Executive  Director,  Alaska Municipal  League,                                                               
Juneau, Alaska,  presented historical property valuation  and tax                                                               
data related to  SB 13. As a membership  organization, the Alaska                                                               
Municipal League  (AML) responds  to the  interests of  165 local                                                               
governments. AML  has not taken a  position on this bill.  Of the                                                               
165 local  governments that AML  serves, 24 have a  property tax,                                                               
including  all the  boroughs except  the Aleutians  East Borough,                                                               
Denali Borough,  Northwest Arctic Borough and  Lake and Peninsula                                                               
Borough. Those rely on fish taxes,  bed tax and a payment in lieu                                                               
of tax formula.  Nine of the 15 home rule  and first-class cities                                                               
within the Unorganized Borough have a property tax as well.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN  noted the  24 local  governments with  a property                                                               
tax all  have required minimum  contributions to  their municipal                                                               
school districts. This is a  state mandate for all boroughs, home                                                               
rule and first-class cities outside the organized borough.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:18:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  ANDREASSEN  stated, by  statute,  seven  of those  24  local                                                               
governments  have property  within their  jurisdiction considered                                                               
petroleum property. Last  year, the total assessed  value of this                                                               
property  was about  $25.9 billion.  The seven  local governments                                                               
apply their property  tax, the same property tax  that is applied                                                               
to  all within  their  jurisdiction, to  petroleum property.  The                                                               
state's  take is  the difference  between the  local tax  and the                                                               
state's  property tax.  Oil  and gas  property  extends into  the                                                               
Unorganized Borough  (valued at  approximately $3.1  billion) and                                                               
the state's take on that is 100 percent or the full 20 mills.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDREASSEN noted  that the  local property  tax has  applied                                                               
since 1997,  but the mill  rate has fallen for  local governments                                                               
an  average  of 1.6375  mills  by  jurisdiction. That  means  the                                                               
state's  take  has  increased  over   that  period,  and  overall                                                               
property taxes have stayed stable,  so the decrease is meaningful                                                               
for property owners.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:20:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  ANDREASSEN said  that though  AML cannot  speak to  industry                                                               
decision making,  it is  worth noting that  AML has  passed these                                                               
resolutions:                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
One resolution supports resource  and economic development. Local                                                               
governments have  partnered with local economic  actors, so there                                                               
are  strong arguments  for  maintaining the  property  tax as  it                                                               
applies to oil and gas  property within municipal boundaries. The                                                               
arguments include the  ability of those local  governments to pay                                                               
for:   debt obligations; construction and  maintenance of schools                                                               
on   behalf   of   the  state;   state-managed   pension   system                                                               
contributions;  contributions  to public  education;  investments                                                               
and  roads;  port  and harbor  maintenance;  police  departments;                                                               
emergency medical  services (EMS); search and  rescue; and health                                                               
care.  All the  property tax  collected at  the local  level goes                                                               
into those local investments on which residents depend.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Another  resolution opposes  any changes  to the  current system.                                                               
The resolution  opposes preemption  of local taxation  that would                                                               
impact economic activity within  their jurisdiction. The extended                                                               
state tax,  proposed by  SB 13, would  not negatively  impact the                                                               
rates of local governments nor is  there any direct impact to how                                                               
local governments currently approach  their taxation. The impacts                                                               
to  local governments  would be  felt to  the extent  that SB  13                                                               
might negatively impact investment  decisions by property owners;                                                               
just like a  property tax increase anywhere else,  a tax increase                                                               
anywhere else might affect investment decisions.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:21:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. ANDREASSEN stated that AML  has a long-standing position that                                                               
the  state  should  fulfill  its  statutory  responsibilities  by                                                               
appropriating  the funds  necessary  to reimburse  municipalities                                                               
for  the   state's  mandatory  property  tax   exemptions.  Local                                                               
governments  had  seen  applications   for  the  state  exemption                                                               
increase  by  20,000  since  2010. In  2011,  there  were  28,000                                                               
applications,  and in  2021 almost  47,000,  nearly doubling  the                                                               
number of applications by residents  applying for this exemption.                                                               
The tax  amount exempted  increased by  $40,000,000 in  that same                                                               
period. There was a question  earlier about how this affected the                                                               
municipality of Anchorage. He said  that he cannot speak directly                                                               
to that  jurisdiction, but the  exemption has almost  doubled for                                                               
all the jurisdictions that collect that tax.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDREASSEN stated  that Alaska  Taxable 2021  identifies the                                                               
value of  "total exempt taxes"  as slightly over  $95,000,000. To                                                               
some  extent, that  is a  reduction of  $95,000,000 available  to                                                               
fund  local government  obligations. More  importantly, taxpayers                                                               
are  probably making  up the  difference. He  reiterated that  in                                                               
2021,  slightly over  $95,000,000 was  the amount  the state  was                                                               
statutorily  required to  reimburse  local governments;  however,                                                               
the state has not funded this reimbursement since 1997.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN listed which communities  are most affected by the                                                               
exemption  according  to  Alaska  Taxable.  The  top  five  local                                                               
governments  impacted  by  the exemption  are  Wrangell,  Nenana,                                                               
Petersburg, Haines,  and the  Mat-Su borough.  For all  five, the                                                               
percentage of  real property  exempted is  above ten  percent. Of                                                               
the  total  value  of  property  in  these  jurisdictions,  local                                                               
governments apply  the exemption to  more than ten  percent. It's                                                               
important  to  understand  that  an exemption  does  not  mean  a                                                               
reduced tax rate  or a total amount of tax.  The same needs exist                                                               
within local governments,  and they have the  same obligations to                                                               
residents. With  regard to mandatory property  tax exemptions the                                                               
state has not reimbursed, it shifts  the burden from one group of                                                               
taxpayers to another.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN  explained that the distributional  impacts of the                                                               
mandatory  senior  tax  exemption  might be  felt  more  severely                                                               
amongst residents,  even though companies pay  the largest amount                                                               
of   taxes  in   many  jurisdictions.   Interestingly,  mandatory                                                               
exemptions  at  the  state  level  also  reduce  the  full  value                                                               
determination,  which affects  the  required local  contribution.                                                               
The amount that  some local governments are required  to pay into                                                               
the  state's public  education system  is  affected. The  state's                                                               
senior  property   tax  exemption  reduces  the   required  local                                                               
contribution by  $17,000,000. Local governments  are contributing                                                               
well  beyond   the  required  local  contribution,   but  there's                                                               
definitely   a  connection   between  exemptions   and  available                                                               
funding.  When the  state does  not reimburse  municipalities for                                                               
property tax exemptions, the lost  resource limits choices at the                                                               
local level. AML  members have passed a resolution  in support of                                                               
the state fully funding this mandatory exemption.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:25:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS asked  whether 25 percent of the  new property tax,                                                               
proposed  by SB  13,  would  be sufficient  to  satisfy the  full                                                               
property tax exemption obligation as it stands right now.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN  answered yes. The  value of the  exemption totals                                                               
$95 million. So, if this bill  were to generate $275 million that                                                               
would more than reimburse the exemption.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:26:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON  asked if $95  million represents  this past                                                               
year's statutorily  required reimbursement amount for  the senior                                                               
property tax exemption.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDREASSEN  nodded,  confirming  that $95  million  was  the                                                               
 total exempt taxes" for one year.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES clarified that Mr.  Andreassen nodded his head  yes                                                                
in response to Senator Gray-Jackson's question.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN added that the  "total exempt taxes" since 1997 is                                                               
in the billions of dollars.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:27:13 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES  suggested that whenever revenue  bills, reductions,                                                               
spending cap adjustments,  or PFD talks come  up, the legislature                                                               
ought to  start a trend of  considering the whole package.  It is                                                               
critical for  the state's future  to settle the matter  of fiscal                                                               
certainty. It is essential for  the economy. This problem has the                                                               
legislature  wrapped  around  the   axel;  it  has  hindered  the                                                               
legislature's   ability  to   address  important   policies.  She                                                               
expressed her appreciation  to the committee for  the latitude to                                                               
veer  a little  from SB  13 to  have a  broader discussion  about                                                               
fiscal policy.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGHES encouraged  those  listening, including  industries                                                               
that might  be impacted  by a  bill like  SB 13,  to step  up and                                                               
participate in resolving the fiscal  certainty issue. She offered                                                               
her understanding that  the oil and gas  industry policy position                                                               
has been  "do not tax  us and we  need fiscal certainty.   For 17                                                               
years, this  has been  the industry  policy. Yet  these companies                                                               
continue to  be chased  for dollars,  increasingly by  members of                                                               
the public.  The definition of  insanity is doing the  same thing                                                               
over and over  again and expecting a different  result. If you've                                                               
been  doing the  same thing  for 17  years without  results, its                                                                
time  to  make an  adjustment.  She  encouraged the  industry  to                                                               
engage  in   the  conversation.  Many  of   these  companies  are                                                               
headquartered  out  of  state  and   might  be  hesitant  to  get                                                               
involved, but  this is not a  request for the industry  to get in                                                               
the  weeds. This  is  a request  to engage  in  and work  towards                                                               
fiscal certainty.  The industry  will be  hounded until  there is                                                               
state  fiscal  certainty;   that  is  just  the   way  it  works.                                                               
Objectives  will be  achieved by  working  together, producing  a                                                               
package, and giving a little bit.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:29:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES stated SB 13 will be held in committee.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:29:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON  asked for  a description of  the assessment                                                               
process used  by the  Department of  Revenue (DOR)  for petroleum                                                               
property.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. GLOVER outlined the DOR assessment process:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
- It is done annually.                                                                                                          
- It is only done for  oil and gas property, whether the property                                                               
is on state land, municipal land, or an Unorganized Borough.                                                                    
-  Taxpayers file  their property  statements in  accordance with                                                               
strict statutory guidelines and deadlines.                                                                                      
-  DOR analyzes  filed data,  reviewing inflation,  depreciation,                                                               
whether the property has new capital, and other factors.                                                                        
-  The  department  issues a  preliminary  assessment.  A  unique                                                               
aspect of  this program is  that both the local  jurisdiction and                                                               
the taxpayer  can appeal the  assessed value. The  department has                                                               
an appealable position too.                                                                                                     
- Appeals go  through an internal appeals process  and DOR issues                                                               
an informal conference decision.                                                                                                
-  The  taxpayer  or  the   local  jurisdiction  can  appeal  the                                                               
conference decision.                                                                                                            
-  The  State  Assessment  Review  Board  (SARB)  hears  appeals,                                                               
usually  in May.  SARB decisions  may be  appealed to  the Alaska                                                               
Superior Court by all parties.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:33:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GRAY-JACKSON inquired  about  the status  of the  Higher                                                               
Education Fund and the Capital Income Fund.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. GLOVER replied she did not have that information.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CONOR  BELL,   Fiscal  Analyst,  Legislative   Finance  Division,                                                               
Legislative  Affairs  Agency,  Juneau, Alaska,  sought  assurance                                                               
that the  question pertained  to the  Alaska Capital  Income Fund                                                               
and the Higher Education Fund.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON responded yes.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BELL  replied that  both of  those funds  are subject  to the                                                               
sweep. The Division  of Finance has yet to determine  the size of                                                               
that sweep.  While those funds  are committed to being  swept, it                                                               
actually  has not  happened. Funds  generated by  SB 13  could be                                                               
appropriated to  the Alaska  Capital Income  Fund and  the Higher                                                               
Education Fund.  Currently, the  legislature must  obligate those                                                               
funds by the end  of the fiscal year, if not,  they will be swept                                                               
into  the  general fund.  As  SB  13  is currently  written,  the                                                               
legislature would  need to  appropriate the funds  by the  end of                                                               
the  fiscal year,  if  not, the  funds would  be  swept into  the                                                               
constitutional budget reserve fund.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:34:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GRAY-JACKSON asked  whether  any  numbers are  available                                                               
today even though those funds could be swept.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BELL  responded that  he did not  have those  numbers offhand                                                               
but would provide them after the committee adjourned.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON  requested Mr. Bell provide  the information                                                               
to the committee.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES  asked Mr. Bell  to send  the numbers to  her office                                                               
and they would be distributed to the committee.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[CHAIR HUGHES held SB 13 in committee.]                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 13 Sponsor Statement 1.18.2022.pdf SCRA 2/3/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 13
SB 13 Sectional Analysis 1.18.2022.pdf SCRA 2/3/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 13
SB 13 Supporting Document - 2020 Fall Revenue Sourcebook Excerpts.pdf SCRA 2/3/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 13
SB 13 Supporting Document - 2021 Fall Revenue Sourcebook Excerpts.pdf SCRA 2/3/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 13
SB 13 Supporting Document - 2021 Alaska Taxable Report Excerpts.pdf SCRA 2/3/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 13
SB 13 Supporting Document - 2019-02 AML resolution - Reimburse Property Tax Exemption.pdf SCRA 2/25/2021 3:30:00 PM
SCRA 2/3/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 13
SB 13 Supporting Document - 2021 Fiscal Plan Working Group Final Report.pdf SCRA 2/3/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 13
SB 13 Supporting Document - Higher Education Fund, UA Summary.pdf SCRA 2/25/2021 3:30:00 PM
SCRA 2/3/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 13
SB 13 Supporting Document - Legislative Finance Email on Capital Income Fund.pdf SCRA 2/25/2021 3:30:00 PM
SCRA 2/3/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 13
SB 13 AOGA Letter of Opposition - 2.25.21.pdf SCRA 2/3/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 13
SB 13 AOGA Letter of Opposition Updated 2.03.22.pdf SCRA 2/3/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 13
HB 127 Sponsor Statement version A 01.18.2022.pdf SCRA 2/3/2022 3:30:00 PM
SFIN 4/21/2022 9:00:00 AM
HB 127
HB 127 Sectional Analysis version A 01.18.2022.pdf SCRA 2/3/2022 3:30:00 PM
SFIN 4/21/2022 9:00:00 AM
HB 127
HB 127 Support Letter University of Alaska 3.9.2021.pdf HCRA 4/15/2021 8:00:00 AM
SCRA 1/27/2022 3:30:00 PM
SCRA 2/3/2022 3:30:00 PM
HB 127
HB 127 Letter of Support Maniilaq 3.15.2021.pdf HCRA 4/15/2021 8:00:00 AM
SCRA 1/27/2022 3:30:00 PM
SCRA 2/3/2022 3:30:00 PM
SFIN 4/21/2022 9:00:00 AM
HB 127
HB 127 Supporting Document - Bond Bank Flow Chart.pdf SCRA 2/3/2022 3:30:00 PM
HB 127